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Meeting held on 2 May 2005 at Kingsbarns Community
Joyce Taylor, Charlotte Kirby, Claire Wright, Cllr Douglas,
Peter Erskine, Raymond Hair, Geoff Lang and 25 village Residents.
Apologies for absence had been received from Cala Cobb as
well as from Scott Turnbull - it was noted that Donald Peddie was absent.
The Chair opened the Meeting with a warm welcome to
Minutes of Meeting March 7th & Matters
Raymond had noticed from the first set of Minutes that the
additional number of houses mentioned as being generally acceptable, was stated
as 50 rather than the 20 to 30 settled upon in the Questionnaire Survey. Geoff
reassured Raymond that this was purely a typo which had been caught and
corrected PRIOR TO distribution to Keith Winter, Head of Planning or to The
Citizen newspaper. Huw, for further clarification, added that strictly speaking
precisely 20 houses was the number which equally balanced those for and those
against. It was agreed that this would be noted in the Minutes.
Apart from the foregoing, the Minutes were duly proposed
No word from PC Todd since our last Meeting so it was
assumed there was nothing to report. The Chair will be posting a large notice
in the Post Office with the Police Tel. Numbers on it.
It was clarified that Kildinny Yards was included in the
Neighbourhood Watch Scheme together with North Quarter Steading. The Chair
suggested that if anyone needed more information about the Scheme that they
should contact her in the first instance.
The Chair reported on her Meeting with Colin Stirling
regarding 20 mph Zoning & Signage and had mentioned to him that Freuchie
had been made a 20 mph village throughout & therefore was not as
prolifically signed as Kingsbarns . Colin Stirling had informed the Chair that
in order to have a totally 20 mph village, additional calming measures such as
sleeping policemen or chicanes must be installed for legal compliance but since
Kingsbarns was directly sited on an A Route they would not be
permitted - we were therefore stuck with Signage as our only available means of
slowing traffic. Colin Stirling had agreed to remove a sign at #6 The Square as
well as the triangular notice outside the Hall. The flashing signs will read
Patrol rather than School. He would furthermore look into the removal of the
sign at the entrance to Lady Wynd (it was in fact reported that he would be
visiting the following day, May 3rd, to organize its removal).
On the subject of Speed Control through the village Cllr
Douglas felt it would be helpful if the Community Council would write to Willie
Robertson at Crail Raceway to ask him to extend the presence of Police around
the village on Race Days. It was apparent that some attendees at the Meeting
were more tolerant of the disruption on Race Days than were others, and the
Chair felt that a watching brief was the most appropriate course of
action. Cllr Douglas informed the Meeting that cars on the Race Days are
regularly checked by Police for safety/drugs/tax and that in the main the
attendees have caused very little bother.
Geoff reported that since his E-Mail of 17th March to Robin
Dick reminding him of our wish to have 2 matching wooden bus shelters (subject
to design) to replace the existing West/East structures, nothing had been
received from Robin to date and Geoff would therefore follow this up. Cllr
Douglas cited Pitscottie and Elie as examples of villages with attractive
Shelters and the Chair felt that photos were needed. This will be done.
There had been no resolution on the issues of Gritting or
Pooling by representatives of Fife Council so Geoff will follow up these
matters before the next Meeting.
The Chair reported on her recent meeting with Moira Duncan,
Head of the school, who is keen to work more closely with the Community. Along
the lines of a format produced by Kenny Scott of Fife Council, the children
were working on producing their own Transport Plan which specifically includes
such issues as Taxi usage and Cycling Proficiency. The children are considering
adopting The Square as their project and some pupils may attend some of our
future Community Meetings. Charlotte reported that at a Meeting to be held the
following Thursday the all-important issue of School numbers was to be
discussed. Finally it was mentioned that the recycling bins in the School yard
are for general Community use (excluding glass for obvious reasons).
Future of Kingsbarns:
The Chair reported on the Public Meeting which had been
held at Kilrymont School on April 20th which the Chair as well as other members
of the Community had attended. It had been a large and very vociferous meeting
the big issue was the sheer scale of new housing being proposed and
attendees were keen to learn if this was demand-led or developer-led? Since
this very night at midnight was the deadline for individual responses to Fife
Councils Plans it was recalled that on March 21st we, as a Community had
written to the Head of Planning at Fife Council to state our rejection of their
proposed addition of 110 houses in Kingsbarns. The Chair had reinforced this in
the official submission to the consultation on
the St. Andrews & East Fife Local Plan. The Chair read out this submission
(see attached) and it was agreed.
Cllr Douglas informed the meeting that it had recently been
disclosed, after the Kilrymont gathering, that the Scottish Executive base
figure used was flawed and as a result all Scottish Councils, including Fife
Council in the person of Keith Winter, were now revising their numbers
downwards and early estimates indicate that the Scottish Executive base figure
had been over-estimated by 30%.
In reply to a question regarding the definition of
Affordable Housing, Cllr Douglas replied that approx 6 categories had been
written down and that as a practical instance once a second Planning
Application for new housing in Crail had been published we would be able to see
a concrete example of Affordable Housing since it would be included in the
The Chair asked Cllr Douglas about the next step in the
overall Planning Process? He will revert to us soonest since this recent
confusion over the Scottish Executivess basic estimates and the
subsequent recount, would inevitably slow things down beyond mid-2006 which was
the original date for Fife Councils initial proposals.
The Chair went on to report that Fife Councils own
Surveyors had now decided NOT to recommend for development fields H48 & 49
originally ear-marked for the 110 houses! Nick added that another 5 fields (a
photo was circulated) had apparently now been put forward by these same
Surveyors but their proposals have not yet been agreed by the Planners. The
question was asked who was the Developer so interested in fields H48 & 49?
The nominations of these 2 fields is steeped in history and goes back to 1991
& 2003 respectively, but as of this date there is NO specific Developer
interested in H48 & 49. Cllr Douglas opined that some sites will be more
favourable to the Community than others and there was now more time in hand in
which to reach internal consensus on our own choices. The Chair then drew
attention to a letter from Scottish Water received by a local resident which
stated that the capacity of the new water treatment plant was for a population
of 570 persons, as against the current capacity of 413, so leaving spare
capacity for 157 persons. Of this, 100 had been allocated to Kingsbarns Golf
Course as a result of discussions with them. This would leave an excess
capacity enough for approx. 25 homes. The Chair asked if anyone knew if the
Golf Course had plans to build houses, and Cllr Douglas said he assumed this
100 person extra capacity was in reality to deal with nitrates that are
produced by the golf course. The Chair said she would follow this up.
The Chair then moved on to Part 2 of our Survey
Questionnaire on the Future of Kingsbarns Village and highlighted 11 key themes
which had been thrown up from the responses. Six copies of the full Reports of
the responses would be in the P0 from May 3rd for all to read. Members of the
Sub-Committee then read out summaries of the 11 sections. This Part 2, will now
give us a basis to work from in future when discussing anything from Housing to
Public Amenities to Recycling to Village Governance. The Chair suggested that
all should digest the contents of this Survey and then at the next Meeting we
should decide which are the key issues for follow-up, whereupon a number of
working groups will be asked to convene and to report back. Claire paid tribute
to the huge efforts of all those who had been involved in this study which was
unanimously felt to be extremely valuable. The Meeting also passed a large vote
of thanks to Len & Sandra for their role in helping to disseminate local
community information. It was felt on balance that the Sub Committee should not
be immediately disbanded although it was acknowledged that the emphasis would
soon shift to the individual working groups.
Geoff circulated for signature by each Community Council
Member a "Code of Conduct declaration received from Fife Council.
Geoff read a letter received from Kennoway Community
Council asking all Community Councils in Fife to support their rejection of a
new Tanker Terminal in Methil - it was agreed that we should do this and Cllr
Douglas further pointed out that was also a potential pollution threat looming
from huge Russian super-tankers docking in Fife which we should be prepared to
Other points and literature of interest concerning
Trafalgar Weekend and the WW2 Victory Service were set out for those interested
to read or to take away.
Peter as Treasurer is dealing with matters concerning our
Community Council Grant and C C Insurance, for which the relevant papers were
handed to him.
Official submission to the consultation on the St.
Andrews & East Fife Local Plan
Kingsbarns Community Council undertook a survey of all
households in the village and in outlying homes close to Kingsbarns in order to
obtain a representative view of how the community felt about the proposals in
the Draft Local Plan.
66% of adults 16+ responded to the questionnaire.
The community overwhelmingly rejected the two fields H48
and H49 proposed as sites for development. 74% objected or strongly objected to
H48 and 65% objected or strongly objected to H49.
The community overwhelmingly rejected the proposal to build
110 houses in the village, a proposal seen as completely out of proportion to
the size of the existing village (population 388). The disproportionate size of
this proposal has been acknowledged in public by both Councillor Peter Douglas
at our Community Council meeting of 7th March and by Mr Bill Lindsay,
Development Services at the public meeting at Kilrymont on April 20th and seems
to have come from a misconception that the community has proposed Kingsbarns as
a site for a model village.
The community has many questions as to how these two fields
were chosen - one is owned by the Church of Scotland and is believed by
villagers to be designated as an overspill burial ground, the other is owned by
Mr. Peter Erskine of Cambo Estate who said at the C.C. meeting of 10 March that
he had not put forward any proposal in regard to his field nor had he been
approached by any developer.
The community would welcome a more transparent process as
to what fields in addition to H48 and H49 are being assessed by Fife Council
and where the "demand" for housing development is coming from.
If the community were to accept the Councils view of
housing need across Fife and the numbers were allocated in
proportion to the existing village size then our quota would be 16
The Village Survey indicated that in answer to the question
what number of houses would be acceptable if there had to be development
in the village 64% indicated numbers from 0 - 30.
The Community Council is there to reflect the wishes of the
community. It is not at this point proposing housing development but is
responding to plans as they are brought forward.
Next Meeting: Monday 4 July @ 7:30 p.m. in the Community
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